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In the criminal
justice system,
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sexually based offenses are
considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives who
investigate these vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
known as the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Yeah. Okay, thanks.
Come on.
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Go, go, go!
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Police! NYPD!
We have a search warrant!
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What the hell?
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Somebody got here
before us.
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Secure it. I don't want any surprises.
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Too late.
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I better call in SVU.
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We are not handing
this bust over to them.
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Don't worry.
I got a buddy.
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Better be good.
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Anonymous phone tip
said somebody was dealing.
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We surveilled a week, caught a lot
of traffic in and out of this place.
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Get our warrant, bust in, find our
alleged dealer sliced and diced.
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Signs of burglary, and by her appearance
I'm guessing she's been raped, too.
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But, you know, I wanted a trained SVU
detective like yourself on the case.
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Rape-homicide falls
on SVU no matter what.
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You didn't have to
hand it to me personally.
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There's a big haul here. Looks
good for my guys to turn it in.
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Yeah, right. You get all the
glory and we get all the work.
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So you trying to tell me that Laura
Ashley here is some kind of big kingpin?
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Where are the drugs?
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You didn't get
the complete tour.
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Over two hundred plants.
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Pull in a couple of
hundred thou on the street.
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Perp missed the jackpot.
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M.E. Estimates TOD yesterday
between 9:00 a. m. And 2:00 p. m.
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Looked like about
30 to 40 stab wounds.
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Overkill.
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He either knew her well enough
to hate her or he's psychotic.
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Point of entry looks like
the fire escape window.
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Perp probably waltzed
out the front door.
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Got minimal fluids from the
rape kit, but enough to test.
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You locate a
murder weapon?
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Must've taken
it with him.
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Three-inch, single-edged,
non-serrated blade.
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About the size of the knife
missing from this?
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Yeah. The other
weapon he left behind.
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Bashed in the back of her
head before he stabbed her.
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Probably enough to knock
her out. No defensive wounds.
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It's not the most
obvious weapon.
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So she surprises him.
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Probably picked up the
first thing he could grab.
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Then he walks all the way
across the apartment for a knife?
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This guy's logic is
all over the place.
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Maybe he's mentally ill.
Or high.
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He covered
Mrs. Oestreicher with this.
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By the amount of blood on the blanket,
I'd say right after he stabbed her.
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So afterwards he gets
remorseful, embarrassed?
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And then sick.
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Our guy must
have thrown up.
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It's too far away
to be the victim's.
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Okay, let's send
a sample to the M.E.
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We can compare it to the stomach
contents of our victim, just to be sure.
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I love my job.
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What do we know about
this anonymous phone tip?
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Narcotics traced
it to a neighbor.
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Said she's nosy,
but not homicidal.
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I thought anonymous
tip meant anonymous.
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Like nobody would bug you
about doing your civic duty.
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We certainly don't mean
to inconvenience you.
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But there was a woman
murdered in your building.
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I know. I'm sorry
about that.
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But you live that kind of
life, you're asking for it.
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And what kind
of life is that?
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Criminal. You should've been
here when she was sparking up.
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Just walking down
the hall you'd get a buzz.
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Marc, get in there
and brush those teeth now.
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So you reported
Mrs. Oestreicher
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as a drug dealer because you smelled
dope. That was the only reason?
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What about the daily
Easter parade?
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In and out of there, people banging
on the door all hours of the day.
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Did you ever actually see any of
these deals, any money changing hands?
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No. No, but if she wasn't selling,
I don't know where she got her money.
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She hasn't worked
a day in over a year.
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Autopsy's done.
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So are the preliminary labs on
the fluids from the rape kit.
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Anything interesting?
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Your perp had no sperm.
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Interesting and pathetic.
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I'm not talking low sperm
count. This is azoospermia.
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Zero sperm in the ejaculate.
It's pretty rare.
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So our guy
got a vasectomy.
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That's one
explanation for it.
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It's also a sign of Kartagener's
Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis.
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The lab can still extract DNA
from the skin cells in the sample.
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And they're
analyzing the vomit.
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We know who puked?
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Victim hadn't eaten in hours,
so it had to come from your perp.
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As far as Miss Oestreicher
is concerned,
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I suspect she would have died within
the year, had she not been murdered.
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What was
wrong with her?
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Advanced
ovarian cancer.
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She has small radiation burns
on the skin of her abdomen,
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and blood tests reveal
Taxol and carboplatin.
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She was undergoing
chemotherapy.
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That explains why
she didn't have a job.
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And why she was
growing pot.
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Must have been using it to counteract
the side effects of the cancer treatment.
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Decent levels of
THC in her system.
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But that woman was growing
a forest in there.
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You think she was toking
on all that by herself?
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Maybe she wasn't.
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You know, medicinal marijuana
clubs are popping up everywhere.
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People are pooling their
resources, growing their own stuff.
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Better product without
having to pay street prices.
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Well, if she's running a club, then
there has to be a membership list.
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How many people
we looking at?
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According to her day planner, nearly 100.
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But there's no names.
She only writes initials.
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We got C.K. Down the second
Monday of every month.
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J.A.S. Every
other Saturday.
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Probably a schedule. Members
take turns tending the crop.
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Why the hell you
know so much about it?
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Twenty-five years on the job
and he's still a damn hippie.
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Okay, I got the phone dumps from Susan
Oestreicher for the past six months.
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We got to match the names with the
initials and weed out the potheads.
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Find one club member,
might lead us to the rest.
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Convincing somebody to turn over
that list is not going to be easy.
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People looking at a narcotics
rap tend to be real cooperative.
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Threatening cancer patients.
Now, that's why I became a cop.
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They're breaking the law. I
don't care how sick they are.
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Do you have any idea why cannabis
is illegal in this country?
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Because William Randolph
Hearst's paper mills
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were threatened by
the hemp industry.
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And that's got nothing to do
with the fact that it's a drug.
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What do you call
alcohol and tobacco?
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Legal.
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Here we go.
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For the initials C.K.,
we've got a Cindy Kerber.
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C.K. C.K. Charles Kelsey, Christian
Kessler. This is going to be fun.
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We'll run them all down.
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If they had access to the
victim, they're all suspects.
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We know about
your club, Miss Kerber.
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Then I assume you found
what we were growing.
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Pretty tough to miss. You
guys have very green thumbs.
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We're not hurting anyone and
we're not making a profit.
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We are investigating
a murder.
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Now, all we need are the other
names of the members in the club.
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The rest is between us.
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I don't know most of the people
involved. We don't socialize.
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Give us the names of the people you do know.
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I'm sorry. I can't.
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This woman
was raped.
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She was stabbed
38 times.
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You don't want to help us in our
investigation? That is very strange to me.
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Because it wasn't
anyone in the club.
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Some of these people were debilitated
from nausea, from chemotherapy.
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The only thing that controls my tremors
from M.S. Is smoking once in a while.
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Why would we kill the woman
who was helping us?
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Maybe she was
helping the wrong person.
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Somebody's sick, doesn't make them an angel.
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There was some trouble with this one
woman, Becky. Not her, really. Her husband.
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What kind of trouble?
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He threatened Sue. Said she
hooked his wife on drugs.
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Becky was dying from
metastatic breast cancer,
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and he wouldn't allow her
the tiniest bit of relief.
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Well, do you think that
he's capable of murder?
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I know his own wife
was afraid of him.
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Especially after he broke some guy's
back in a bar fight. Went to jail for it.
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I wouldn't
touch that bitch.
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Isn't it refreshing to hear such militant
adherence to the "Just Say No" philosophy?
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It's so rare
in convicts.
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That incident
was an accident.
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I did five years inside,
and now my wife's dead.
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I paid the price.
Go bother somebody else.
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No, we're bothering you,
Mr. Paglione.
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You got an awful lot of hate for the
woman who was trying to comfort your wife.
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Yeah, that's a real
beautiful story.
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Until one of you comes to my house and finds
drugs and busts me for parole violation.
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I was working from 6:00 in the
morning to 4:00, and no lunch break.
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And that's all I'm saying.
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We'll see you
back at the house.
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Munch says the husband's
alibi checks out.
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This membership list
is getting smaller.
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Half these people are either dead
or too weak to get out of bed.
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Maybe we're going down the
wrong path with this pot club.
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No, I just can't buy that the murder
and the drugs are a coincidence.
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Susan Oestreicher's neighbor
thought she was a drug dealer.
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What if somebody
else thought so, too?
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An M.E. Out of the morgue?
Must be big.
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Captain Cragen told me
you were here.
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Lab finished analyzing the
vomit from the crime scene.
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Hey, am I gonna want to stop
eating before I hear this?
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Pieces of roast beef, a little mozzarella
cheese, kernels of corn and raisins.
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Luckily, they hadn't been
in the stomach very long,
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so everything was
only partially digested.
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Yeah, I'm done.
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And this is
good news because?
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My daughter's in
the sixth grade.
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She had that exact meal for lunch
at school on the day of the murder.
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I've got the menu on the
fridge. I called the Board of Ed.
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Every middle school in
Manhattan serves the same lunch.
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No sperm in the ejaculate.
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We're looking for a kid.
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Are we buying in to
this juvenile theory?
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Well, it makes sense.
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The disorganization of the crime scene
indicates an immature thought process.
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The number of stab wounds could mean he
has no real understanding of physiology.
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He just kills the way he thinks
that you're supposed to kill.
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The rape. Sexual curiosity.
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Well, we know the kid went to school
that day long enough to have lunch,
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so he must've
cut out afterwards.
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Well, we're not canvassing
every junior high in the city,
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and I'm not waiting for a DNA analysis
of the puke, so let's hear suggestions.
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Okay, we're looking for a boy who
has a history of fights in school.
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Minor vandalism with
risk-taking behavior.
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Sounds like every
teenage boy on the planet.
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I know. It's not much to go on.
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But adolescent behavior
is inherently unpredictable.
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That's why mental
health care professionals
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won't label a child a sociopath
even if he fits the definition.
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So the profile's wide open.
What else?
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Juvies stay
with the familiar.
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Maybe the victim
knew this kid.
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And even if she didn't,
he's likely to commit
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the crimes in his
own comfort zone.
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The neighbor who phoned
in the tip to Narcotics.
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Her son looked
about 13, right?
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That was Mrs. Lesinski
and her son Marc.
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Maybe he listens to Mom rail about
the drug dealer down the hall,
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he figures he can get
himself some free dope.
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And get some cash for a
new Xbox while he's at it.
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Check him out.
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Look, I told you, Marc
didn't see who killed her.
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He was in school.
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You're sure about that?
234
00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:46,363
Of course I am.
235
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,738
And the school calls
if he skips class?
236
00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,174
What exactly
are you asking?
237
00:11:50,243 --> 00:11:52,677
Mrs. Lesinski, we need to
speak with Marc right now.
238
00:11:52,746 --> 00:11:54,008
You think he could
have done this?
239
00:11:54,081 --> 00:11:56,015
He is a child.
Are you crazy?
240
00:11:56,783 --> 00:12:00,241
Has Marc bought anything that
he doesn't have the money for?
241
00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,309
No.
242
00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:03,447
Have you seen him with...
243
00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:05,923
Seen him with anything expensive
that you didn't give him?
244
00:12:06,993 --> 00:12:09,757
He said it was a present from a friend.
245
00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,559
Come on over here.
Show it to us, will you?
246
00:12:16,303 --> 00:12:17,793
An MP3 player.
247
00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,131
Must be a very good friend
to be so generous.
248
00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:24,700
No, the kid's a total geek. He's
always giving stuff to people.
249
00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:26,575
Oh. This total geek
have a name?
250
00:12:26,646 --> 00:12:28,409
Jeremy Brice.
251
00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:30,074
Mmm-hmm. Where do
you think Jeremy got that?
252
00:12:31,718 --> 00:12:34,619
Did you tell him that you had a drug
dealer living down the hall from you?
253
00:12:34,688 --> 00:12:35,814
Yeah.
What'd you say?
254
00:12:37,224 --> 00:12:40,887
I said that she's probably got some pretty
cool stuff, you know, 'cause she deals.
255
00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:44,624
So don't you think it's possible that
he got it from Mrs. Oestreicher's place?
256
00:12:44,698 --> 00:12:46,290
I don't know, maybe.
257
00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,266
But there's no way
Jeremy killed her.
258
00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:51,165
Well, how do you
know that?
259
00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:52,899
He's just not that cool.
260
00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,573
It is almost 8:00.
Everybody's already left.
261
00:12:57,644 --> 00:12:59,669
Let's pull him
out of school.
262
00:13:01,515 --> 00:13:04,177
Liv. Liv. Kids waiting for the bus.
263
00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:11,856
Hi, guys. Anyone know Jeremy Brice?
264
00:13:11,925 --> 00:13:13,051
Who?
265
00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:14,150
Jeremy Brice.
266
00:13:14,227 --> 00:13:15,285
There.
267
00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:18,730
You Jeremy?
268
00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,665
Relax, relax,
relax, Jeremy.
269
00:13:21,735 --> 00:13:22,861
I didn't do anything!
270
00:13:22,936 --> 00:13:25,131
We're the police. We want
to talk to you. Just relax.
271
00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:28,663
Jeremy, that looks
like blood.
272
00:13:28,742 --> 00:13:30,972
No, it isn't.
273
00:13:31,044 --> 00:13:33,569
We're going down to the police
station, Jeremy, all right?
274
00:13:33,647 --> 00:13:34,773
Where are
your parents?
275
00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:36,713
I have to go to school.
I have to...
276
00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:42,616
You made a mistake.
Jeremy was in school all day.
277
00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:43,815
We checked, Mrs. Brice.
278
00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:47,018
Jeremy's teachers told us
that he was absent after lunch.
279
00:13:47,093 --> 00:13:48,458
You skipped school?
280
00:13:48,528 --> 00:13:49,756
No.
281
00:13:49,830 --> 00:13:53,129
Jeremy? Jeremy,
look at me a second.
282
00:13:54,301 --> 00:13:56,496
You know you're not supposed
to lie to the police, right?
283
00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:57,628
I'm not lying.
284
00:13:57,704 --> 00:14:00,468
Where'd you get the MP3 player
you gave to your buddy Marc?
285
00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,409
I gave him that
for his birthday.
286
00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:10,648
Do you know a lady named
Susan Oestreicher?
287
00:14:10,717 --> 00:14:11,809
No.
288
00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:15,377
You sure? She's the woman that
lives right next door to Marc.
289
00:14:15,455 --> 00:14:17,855
Jeremy, you went
into that apartment,
290
00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:20,085
and something bad happened there, didn't it?
291
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,923
I didn't go anywhere.
292
00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:25,954
Jeremy, these are your fingerprints that
your mom let us take when you got here.
293
00:14:27,834 --> 00:14:29,358
Remember that?
294
00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:35,363
These are the ones that we found
in Miss Oestreicher's apartment.
295
00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:39,141
They're exactly the same.
296
00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:40,509
No, they're not.
297
00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:44,380
They are. This tells me
you were in that apartment.
298
00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:45,816
No, it doesn't.
299
00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:48,252
Jeremy, what happened?
300
00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:51,950
Nothing. Why is
everybody picking on me?
301
00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,819
We'll take another crack
at him once he calms down.
302
00:14:56,897 --> 00:14:58,558
Well, we know he
was in the apartment.
303
00:14:58,632 --> 00:15:01,760
Once the labs come back on the forensic
evidence, we won't need a confession.
304
00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:02,927
A typical kid.
305
00:15:03,003 --> 00:15:05,301
Thinks if he denies
everything, it'll just go away.
306
00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:08,535
He's 14. Eligible to
be tried as an adult.
307
00:15:08,608 --> 00:15:11,805
Murder two. Would've been
eligible if he was 13.
308
00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:13,368
He look like
a grownup to you?
309
00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:16,415
He brutally raped and
murdered a 34-year-old woman.
310
00:15:16,483 --> 00:15:17,507
That's a grownup crime.
311
00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:20,280
He's not crying for his
victim, he's crying for himself.
312
00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:22,344
Guess you can't blame him.
His life is over.
313
00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:26,791
Labs are back. Blood on Jeremy's
coat matched the victim's type.
314
00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,418
Sounds like your
job is done.
315
00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:29,723
No. We're not that lucky.
316
00:15:29,796 --> 00:15:32,594
Lab's determined that the
rapist's blood was a type B.
317
00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:34,759
I got Jeremy's from
his school. He's type O.
318
00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,597
He had a partner.
Yeah.
319
00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:38,570
No sperm, so it's
got to be another kid.
320
00:15:38,638 --> 00:15:40,572
Well, what about
that neighbor's boy?
321
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,164
Well, I checked him.
He didn't skip school
322
00:15:42,242 --> 00:15:44,506
and went to basketball
practice afterwards.
323
00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:48,411
Can we hold off on charging Jeremy as
an adult till we get the story straight?
324
00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:51,416
Well, he's 14, so he's automatically
arraigned in Supreme Court.
325
00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:53,384
But if you can prove to me
he wasn't the primary actor,
326
00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,478
I will recommend he be
removed to Family Court.
327
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,250
Find out who
his friends are.
328
00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:04,329
We're no strangers to police
inquiring about some of our students,
329
00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:07,161
but I am surprised to hear
you're investigating Mr. Brice.
330
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,064
Jeremy's not a
troublemaker?
331
00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:11,069
I don't know him,
so I guess not.
332
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:13,037
1,500 students, Detectives.
333
00:16:13,106 --> 00:16:14,733
I only got time
for the bad eggs.
334
00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:17,174
You're saying he's
a model student, then.
335
00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:21,680
Academically, yes. He does very
well. Especially in math and art.
336
00:16:21,748 --> 00:16:26,412
But he was recently diagnosed as
dyslexic, and according to his file,
337
00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:30,252
his fifth grade teacher cited social
problems made him repeat the year.
338
00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,052
What kind of
social problems?
339
00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:34,650
Well, I spoke with Jeremy's
teachers this morning,
340
00:16:34,728 --> 00:16:37,162
and he's a little
behind maturity-wise.
341
00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:39,061
He has some
trouble fitting in.
342
00:16:39,132 --> 00:16:42,067
But again, nothing to suggest
any serious discipline problems.
343
00:16:42,135 --> 00:16:44,660
Teachers give you the names
of Jeremy's friends?
344
00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,228
That's the thing,
no one knew.
345
00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,898
Seems he really
doesn't have any.
346
00:16:49,876 --> 00:16:52,845
We're going to need a list of all the boys
that were absent the day of the murder,
347
00:16:52,912 --> 00:16:55,278
and we're going to need your
permission to search their lockers.
348
00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:06,052
I find any dead animals in here,
I'm going to deputize you for this.
349
00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,286
Got him.
350
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:08,452
What'd you find?
351
00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:10,189
Susan Oestreicher.
352
00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:17,099
And the weapon
that killed her.
353
00:17:18,638 --> 00:17:20,230
This is a surprise.
354
00:17:20,306 --> 00:17:24,743
Locker 142 belongs to Zachary
Connor, a sixth-grader.
355
00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:28,176
I'll get his schedule and we'll
find him in his next class.
356
00:17:28,248 --> 00:17:30,409
I think he found
us already.
357
00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:32,779
What happened
to my locker?
358
00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:38,816
Zachary Connor
is 12 years old.
359
00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:41,759
I tell you, I've been on this job a
long time, some things still surprise me.
360
00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:43,557
You'll get over it.
His parents coming in?
361
00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:43,393
They should
be here any minute.
362
00:17:43,465 --> 00:17:45,729
We're going on 12 hours
holding Jeremy Brice.
363
00:17:45,801 --> 00:17:47,598
He and his mother are
still in interrogation.
364
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:52,072
And they're staying until we know his
exact involvement in this woman's death.
365
00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:53,698
Munch is still
at the crime lab.
366
00:17:53,775 --> 00:17:56,300
CSU lifted three sets of
prints off of that knife.
367
00:17:56,378 --> 00:17:59,609
One unknown, one the victim's,
and one belonging to Jeremy.
368
00:17:59,681 --> 00:18:03,777
Captain, these are
Zachary Connor's parents.
369
00:18:03,852 --> 00:18:05,945
Mr. And Mrs. Connor,
thank you for making it down.
370
00:18:06,021 --> 00:18:08,649
Nobody's told us anything.
Is Zach all right?
371
00:18:08,723 --> 00:18:09,849
Well, he's fine. Fine.
372
00:18:09,925 --> 00:18:12,359
We think he might know
something about a crime.
373
00:18:12,427 --> 00:18:14,122
Now, Ted here
will get you settled,
374
00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:16,858
and in a minute a detective
will explain everything to you.
375
00:18:16,932 --> 00:18:19,457
He's never been in trouble
before, Captain. Not once.
376
00:18:24,739 --> 00:18:26,798
Is that true?
No trouble with this boy?
377
00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:29,207
Straight As. Not a mark on his school record.
378
00:18:30,312 --> 00:18:31,973
Let's go easy on this.
379
00:18:32,047 --> 00:18:34,311
Finesse them. See if one turns on the other.
380
00:18:34,382 --> 00:18:35,872
Fin, you take
Zachary and his parents.
381
00:18:35,951 --> 00:18:38,283
You guys take
another run at Jeremy.
382
00:18:38,353 --> 00:18:40,947
Set up video cameras
and monitors in both rooms.
383
00:18:41,022 --> 00:18:43,217
I'll call in Cabot
and Huang to observe.
384
00:18:44,493 --> 00:18:47,053
Remember where you were day
before yesterday, Zachary?
385
00:18:47,129 --> 00:18:48,892
At school.
And then I went home.
386
00:18:48,964 --> 00:18:50,795
You there all day?
Yeah.
387
00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:52,094
Well, I talked
to your teachers,
388
00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:55,136
and they said that you missed
all your classes after lunch.
389
00:18:55,203 --> 00:18:56,727
I was in the library.
390
00:18:57,439 --> 00:18:59,134
I had to study
for a math test.
391
00:18:59,207 --> 00:19:00,834
He does have
a big test coming up.
392
00:19:00,909 --> 00:19:03,434
Okay. You know
Jeremy Brice?
393
00:19:03,512 --> 00:19:04,706
He's a seventh-grader.
394
00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:05,837
Friend of yours?
395
00:19:05,914 --> 00:19:07,211
No. I don't
like him.
396
00:19:08,116 --> 00:19:10,641
You didn't hang out with him
at all day before yesterday?
397
00:19:10,719 --> 00:19:13,187
No. He's dorky.
And he's a bully.
398
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:15,949
You got a knife, Zach?
399
00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:17,116
A what?
400
00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:19,659
You mean the one
in my locker.
401
00:19:19,728 --> 00:19:21,320
Where'd you get it?
402
00:19:21,997 --> 00:19:25,433
I found it in the dumpster behind
the school. And the wallet, too.
403
00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:27,525
What were you looking for in the garbage?
404
00:19:28,904 --> 00:19:30,735
Well, sometimes they
throw out cool things.
405
00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:32,568
Once I found
new markers.
406
00:19:32,641 --> 00:19:33,972
Yeah, that is cool.
407
00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:37,944
So why'd you take the knife and
wallet and put them in your locker?
408
00:19:38,013 --> 00:19:39,378
I was gonna
turn them in.
409
00:19:39,447 --> 00:19:42,575
I thought someone lost them.
But then I forgot.
410
00:19:42,651 --> 00:19:44,380
Did you know there
was blood on that knife?
411
00:19:44,452 --> 00:19:45,919
Oh, my God.
412
00:19:45,987 --> 00:19:47,955
I thought it was fake.
413
00:19:48,023 --> 00:19:51,151
But you should ask Jeremy.
He told me where to find it.
414
00:19:52,594 --> 00:19:54,357
So, Jeremy,
you want a drink?
415
00:19:54,429 --> 00:19:55,862
No. I want to go home.
416
00:19:55,931 --> 00:19:57,023
Well, I know you do.
417
00:19:57,098 --> 00:20:00,226
But the reason that we have to stay here
is because you're not telling us the truth.
418
00:20:00,302 --> 00:20:01,735
Yes, I am.
419
00:20:01,803 --> 00:20:04,636
Jeremy, we picked up your
friend Zachary at school today.
420
00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:07,139
Zach's here?
421
00:20:07,209 --> 00:20:09,302
He's right in the next room,
speaking to one of our detectives.
422
00:20:10,712 --> 00:20:12,646
What do you think
he's going to say?
423
00:20:14,182 --> 00:20:15,444
Nothing.
424
00:20:15,984 --> 00:20:18,043
I think he might.
425
00:20:20,055 --> 00:20:21,818
Look, I know you don't want
to get him in trouble,
426
00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:24,757
but you've got to
tell us what happened.
427
00:20:24,826 --> 00:20:28,284
Even if it's something that's really,
really bad, you've got to tell us.
428
00:20:33,034 --> 00:20:34,831
Zach's my best friend.
429
00:20:34,903 --> 00:20:37,667
You can't make me say
he did something bad.
430
00:20:37,739 --> 00:20:39,969
He didn't do anything.
431
00:20:42,844 --> 00:20:44,436
Jeremy's in for
a rude awakening.
432
00:20:44,512 --> 00:20:46,104
His best friend's
about to flip on him.
433
00:20:47,182 --> 00:20:50,083
What I find hard to believe is
how a kid as young as Zachary
434
00:20:50,151 --> 00:20:51,846
is physically
capable of rape.
435
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,686
Biologically, all he needs is enough
testosterone to achieve an erection.
436
00:20:55,757 --> 00:20:58,726
These days, boys reach puberty
as early as nine years old.
437
00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:01,785
Add to that an ill woman,
weakened by chemotherapy.
438
00:21:01,863 --> 00:21:04,832
She's the perfect victim
for a 90-pound rapist.
439
00:21:04,899 --> 00:21:06,662
You think he did it?
440
00:21:07,836 --> 00:21:09,326
I think he's lying.
441
00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:13,067
He keeps changing his story so that
it's just plausible enough to be true.
442
00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:14,631
He's involved.
443
00:21:17,812 --> 00:21:18,938
What's all this?
444
00:21:19,014 --> 00:21:20,572
Interrogation tactics,
Captain.
445
00:21:20,649 --> 00:21:23,447
A few special mementos
from Zachary Connor's locker.
446
00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:27,645
This is Detective Munch,
my partner.
447
00:21:27,722 --> 00:21:29,485
How much longer
do we need to be here?
448
00:21:29,557 --> 00:21:31,388
Entirely up to your son,
Mr. Connor.
449
00:21:31,459 --> 00:21:32,653
Is that your book?
450
00:21:32,727 --> 00:21:34,888
I don't know. All our books look alike.
451
00:21:34,963 --> 00:21:37,124
Oh, yeah?
Is that your name?
452
00:21:37,766 --> 00:21:39,393
Yeah. Then that must be yours, right?
453
00:21:41,503 --> 00:21:44,666
What is this about? It's
his book. Why does it matter?
454
00:21:44,739 --> 00:21:48,641
We also have a CD
labeled with your initials,
455
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:52,942
a pen, a magazine subscription
sticker in your name.
456
00:21:53,014 --> 00:21:55,005
You know where I got them?
457
00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:56,448
In my locker at school?
458
00:21:56,518 --> 00:21:59,180
Right. You know what else
they have in common? Hmm?
459
00:21:59,954 --> 00:22:01,251
Detective Tutuola?
460
00:22:01,323 --> 00:22:03,257
Covered with
his fingerprints.
461
00:22:03,325 --> 00:22:04,883
Correct.
Just a minute.
462
00:22:04,959 --> 00:22:06,483
Now, Zach,
you're a bright young man.
463
00:22:06,561 --> 00:22:09,530
You understand that every
time you touch something,
464
00:22:09,597 --> 00:22:11,531
you leave a
fingerprint behind.
465
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,432
So I want you to think real hard
before you answer this question.
466
00:22:14,502 --> 00:22:18,404
Were you ever in an apartment on
Avenue C where a woman was killed?
467
00:22:18,473 --> 00:22:20,134
Oh, what the hell?
468
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,846
I was in that lady's
apartment with Jeremy.
469
00:22:28,817 --> 00:22:30,182
He killed her.
470
00:22:33,521 --> 00:22:37,389
Hey, Jeremy, I think you
might want to see this.
471
00:22:38,693 --> 00:22:40,388
Whose idea was it?
472
00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:43,427
Jeremy's.
473
00:22:43,965 --> 00:22:46,024
To rob her
or to kill her?
474
00:22:46,401 --> 00:22:47,800
Everything.
475
00:22:49,037 --> 00:22:50,766
He said she had
lots of money.
476
00:22:52,207 --> 00:22:54,141
But then she came home.
477
00:22:56,111 --> 00:22:58,443
He made me do
bad things to her.
478
00:22:58,513 --> 00:23:00,344
He made me touch her.
479
00:23:01,683 --> 00:23:03,913
And then Jeremy got the knife
480
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,215
and he killed her.
481
00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:10,216
What happened after that?
482
00:23:10,291 --> 00:23:11,690
I ran away.
483
00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:15,485
I was scared.
484
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,898
Jeremy. No.
485
00:23:20,969 --> 00:23:23,199
Jeremy, is that
what happened?
486
00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:24,761
He's lying!
487
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,065
So you tell us the truth.
488
00:23:32,347 --> 00:23:34,508
I didn't want
anyone to get hurt.
489
00:23:36,117 --> 00:23:38,950
Was it your idea to break
into that woman's apartment?
490
00:23:41,589 --> 00:23:43,580
Jeremy, why would
you do that?
491
00:23:44,592 --> 00:23:47,026
Zach thought it was cool.
492
00:23:47,095 --> 00:23:49,996
Was it cool when you took the
telephone and bashed her head in?
493
00:23:50,064 --> 00:23:53,329
I didn't do that, Zach did.
494
00:23:53,401 --> 00:23:55,232
Do I listen to
his story or yours?
495
00:23:58,173 --> 00:23:59,697
She fell down.
496
00:24:00,909 --> 00:24:02,570
She was bleeding.
497
00:24:03,711 --> 00:24:06,578
Zach said to get
a knife from the kitchen.
498
00:24:07,248 --> 00:24:11,014
I didn't want to,
but he was screaming at me.
499
00:24:12,086 --> 00:24:14,418
I didn't know what he was
going to do with it, I swear.
500
00:24:14,489 --> 00:24:18,585
So you got the knife,
and then what happened?
501
00:24:20,595 --> 00:24:24,691
When I walked back in,
Zach was on top of her.
502
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:29,726
He took the knife and he
stabbed her over and over.
503
00:24:30,805 --> 00:24:32,898
There was all this
blood and I threw up!
504
00:24:32,974 --> 00:24:36,375
I'm sorry.
I'm really, really sorry!
505
00:24:39,447 --> 00:24:40,471
I'm sorry.
506
00:24:40,548 --> 00:24:43,449
Jeremy, who covered her up
with the blanket?
507
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:46,614
I did.
508
00:24:48,022 --> 00:24:50,684
You shouldn't leave
someone like that.
509
00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:54,321
Can I go home now?
510
00:24:55,163 --> 00:24:57,097
I just want to go home.
511
00:24:57,899 --> 00:25:00,094
I want to go home.
512
00:25:00,168 --> 00:25:03,365
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
513
00:25:08,009 --> 00:25:09,943
CSU finished
with Zach's house?
514
00:25:10,011 --> 00:25:13,003
Top to bottom. No blood. Must have
tossed the clothes he was wearing.
515
00:25:13,081 --> 00:25:14,810
So we've got two kids,
two different stories,
516
00:25:14,883 --> 00:25:16,475
and either one of them
could have killed her.
517
00:25:16,551 --> 00:25:18,849
Which means I have
an even bigger problem.
518
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,582
Whether or not to try
Jeremy Brice as an adult.
519
00:25:21,656 --> 00:25:23,146
Zachary Connor is 12.
520
00:25:23,224 --> 00:25:26,022
So even if he acted alone,
he's out of my jurisdiction.
521
00:25:26,094 --> 00:25:27,618
He is going
to Family Court.
522
00:25:27,695 --> 00:25:30,061
And what kind of punishment
is kiddie court handing out
523
00:25:30,131 --> 00:25:31,894
for rapists and murderers
these days?
524
00:25:31,966 --> 00:25:34,298
Their mandate is
rehabilitation, not punishment.
525
00:25:34,369 --> 00:25:38,829
So the maximum sentence is 18
months in a limited secure facility.
526
00:25:38,907 --> 00:25:41,000
And Jeremy's looking
at life in Attica.
527
00:25:41,075 --> 00:25:43,942
If the D.A. Thinks he's
a danger to society, yes.
528
00:25:44,012 --> 00:25:47,140
Okay, I got to tell you that I
believe Jeremy's version of the events.
529
00:25:47,215 --> 00:25:50,844
You know, this kid is more of a
danger to himself than anybody else.
530
00:25:50,919 --> 00:25:53,285
Doc, you saw both interviews.
What do you think?
531
00:25:53,354 --> 00:25:54,946
I agree with you.
532
00:25:55,023 --> 00:25:56,786
Jeremy is more
easily manipulated.
533
00:25:56,858 --> 00:25:58,951
He's desperate to
fit in at any cost,
534
00:25:59,027 --> 00:26:01,587
whereas Zachary is
far more calculating.
535
00:26:01,663 --> 00:26:04,131
I think he wields a great
deal of control over Jeremy,
536
00:26:04,198 --> 00:26:07,599
and I think he murdered
and raped Susan Oestreicher.
537
00:26:08,469 --> 00:26:12,735
So the question is do we go after
Jeremy because we can't get Zachary?
538
00:26:15,209 --> 00:26:16,267
No.
539
00:26:16,744 --> 00:26:19,304
I'll recommend we remove
Jeremy to family court.
540
00:26:29,424 --> 00:26:32,655
The D.A. Is seeking an
indictment against Jeremy Brice.
541
00:26:32,727 --> 00:26:34,820
You've got one day to
prepare for the grand jury.
542
00:26:34,896 --> 00:26:36,523
On what charges?
543
00:26:36,598 --> 00:26:38,122
Felony murder
and burglary one.
544
00:26:38,199 --> 00:26:40,133
I recommended against it.
545
00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:41,463
Well, the D.A. Disagreed.
546
00:26:41,536 --> 00:26:45,939
But the evidence clearly indicates that
Jeremy Brice's involvement was limited.
547
00:26:46,007 --> 00:26:48,475
The DNA proves that Zachary
Connor committed the rape.
548
00:26:48,543 --> 00:26:51,706
Jeremy already confessed to
participating in the burglary.
549
00:26:51,779 --> 00:26:52,803
That's the predicate felony.
550
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,905
He knew it was dangerous, he
knew someone could be killed.
551
00:26:54,983 --> 00:26:56,473
No, he didn't.
552
00:26:56,551 --> 00:26:59,179
This boy is not mature
enough to understand that.
553
00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:01,050
The law says he is.
554
00:27:01,122 --> 00:27:04,421
That legislation
was passed in 1978
555
00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:07,859
as a knee-jerk reaction to
some perceived youth crime wave.
556
00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:10,523
It also says that we
prosecute juveniles as adults
557
00:27:10,598 --> 00:27:13,499
at the discretion of
the district attorney.
558
00:27:13,568 --> 00:27:16,002
He made the call.
You do your job.
559
00:27:16,671 --> 00:27:19,037
Which should be easy enough
with Jeremy's confession.
560
00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:22,141
A win for the D.A.
561
00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:24,178
So that's what this is about.
562
00:27:24,245 --> 00:27:25,974
'Cause I'd like to know just
how much of a sycophant
563
00:27:26,047 --> 00:27:28,845
I have to be in this
new administration.
564
00:27:30,752 --> 00:27:32,549
Let's say you're right.
565
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:34,349
Let's say Zachary Connor
did everything.
566
00:27:34,422 --> 00:27:37,914
That means every step of the
way, Jeremy Brice had a choice.
567
00:27:38,593 --> 00:27:40,686
Do the right thing
or do the wrong thing.
568
00:27:41,863 --> 00:27:45,594
Watch your friend rape a
defenseless woman or stop him,
569
00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:48,602
run away or give him the knife
so he can stab her to death.
570
00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:51,402
Do we punish
him for this?
571
00:27:51,472 --> 00:27:54,805
Or do we tell him that there are
no consequences for his actions?
572
00:27:54,876 --> 00:27:58,437
We remove him to Family Court
in hopes of rehabilitation.
573
00:27:59,347 --> 00:28:02,373
That won't happen if he goes
J.O. And you know it.
574
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:05,749
You have more faith in the Juvenile
Justice Department than I do.
575
00:28:10,391 --> 00:28:13,087
You're adamantly opposed
to prosecuting this case?
576
00:28:13,161 --> 00:28:15,925
Yes. I think it's wrong.
577
00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:18,930
All right.
578
00:28:19,867 --> 00:28:21,459
Then I'll do it.
579
00:28:23,805 --> 00:28:25,568
You're second chair.
580
00:28:31,646 --> 00:28:34,877
Elizabeth Donnelly
is back trying cases?
581
00:28:34,949 --> 00:28:38,146
Or did your new boss
demote you already?
582
00:28:38,219 --> 00:28:41,916
Funny comments like that, it's a
wonder both your legs aren't broken.
583
00:28:41,989 --> 00:28:44,253
You get attacked by one of
your repeat offenders again?
584
00:28:44,325 --> 00:28:47,590
No, actually one of your esteemed
colleagues knocked me off a curb.
585
00:28:47,662 --> 00:28:49,152
There's a
law suit pending.
586
00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:53,056
Alexandra Cabot, Gina
Bernardo, public defender.
587
00:28:53,134 --> 00:28:54,158
Nice to meet you.
588
00:28:54,235 --> 00:28:58,433
So the D.A. Has assembled a legal
dream team to crucify a child.
589
00:28:58,506 --> 00:29:00,838
You know as well as I do
charging Jeremy Brice
590
00:29:00,908 --> 00:29:03,103
as an adult is
a gross injustice.
591
00:29:03,177 --> 00:29:04,940
Tell that to
Susan Oestreicher's family.
592
00:29:05,012 --> 00:29:08,413
You honestly believe he deserves
to be charged for murder two?
593
00:29:08,483 --> 00:29:10,314
The grand jury did.
594
00:29:10,384 --> 00:29:13,319
You can't possibly hold my
client responsible for something
595
00:29:13,387 --> 00:29:16,481
it's impossible for him
to be responsible for.
596
00:29:17,425 --> 00:29:19,586
Notification of
affirmative defense.
597
00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:22,857
Not guilty by reason
of mental disease or defect.
598
00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:26,798
What defect?
599
00:29:27,835 --> 00:29:30,235
His 14-year-old brain.
600
00:29:31,405 --> 00:29:32,929
Your Honor,
this is an obvious attempt
601
00:29:33,007 --> 00:29:34,531
to backdoor
the defense of infancy.
602
00:29:34,609 --> 00:29:38,773
Article 30 clearly states that defense cannot
be used for juveniles charged with murder.
603
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:42,304
I'm not saying that my client isn't
responsible because of his age.
604
00:29:42,383 --> 00:29:45,648
I am saying he isn't responsible
because of his diminished capacity.
605
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,814
Dictated by his age.
It's the same thing.
606
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:51,381
This is a legislative issue, Your
Honor, not a matter for the court.
607
00:29:51,459 --> 00:29:55,054
Then why did three Supreme Court
justices draft a public statement
608
00:29:55,129 --> 00:29:57,689
calling for the abolishment
of juvenile executions?
609
00:29:57,765 --> 00:30:01,963
Because it is cruel and unusual to
impose adult punishment on someone
610
00:30:02,036 --> 00:30:03,901
who isn't capable
of adult thought.
611
00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:06,166
Couldn't one argue then
that certain behavior,
612
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,540
such as the committing of a
violent crime, proves adult thought?
613
00:30:10,611 --> 00:30:13,978
No. If your 10-year-old son
takes your car out for a joy ride,
614
00:30:14,048 --> 00:30:16,380
do you automatically hand
him a driver's license?
615
00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:18,042
This is all very interesting,
Ms. Bernardo,
616
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,350
but I fail to see how any of this
applies to an insanity defense.
617
00:30:21,422 --> 00:30:23,185
These are scientific studies
618
00:30:23,257 --> 00:30:27,193
proving that an adolescent's brain is
significantly different than an adult's.
619
00:30:27,261 --> 00:30:31,129
That, in fact, our brains aren't fully
formed until we're in our early 20s.
620
00:30:31,199 --> 00:30:33,258
And I can present scientific
studies which prove
621
00:30:33,334 --> 00:30:35,996
my cat is trying
to kill me in my sleep.
622
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:37,230
Daubert test, Your Honor.
623
00:30:37,305 --> 00:30:40,741
Scientific evidence must meet federal
standards of relevance and reliability.
624
00:30:40,808 --> 00:30:44,266
Well, one of the studies was done by
the National Institute of Mental Health.
625
00:30:44,345 --> 00:30:46,677
Is the federal government
reliable enough for you?
626
00:30:46,747 --> 00:30:49,944
The reliability of the
studies isn't in question.
627
00:30:50,017 --> 00:30:54,147
My job is to determine whether or
not they have any material value.
628
00:30:54,222 --> 00:30:55,883
I believe they do.
629
00:30:56,757 --> 00:30:59,521
And I believe
the jury should hear them.
630
00:31:03,998 --> 00:31:07,900
Dr. Hayman, can you tell us about
the study you recently completed?
631
00:31:07,969 --> 00:31:10,733
We used functional magnetic
resonance imaging
632
00:31:10,805 --> 00:31:13,774
to map the brains of healthy
adolescents over several years
633
00:31:13,841 --> 00:31:16,071
and compared them
to those of healthy adults.
634
00:31:16,143 --> 00:31:18,202
And what did your study find?
635
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,806
For adolescents, brain activity
is much higher in the amygdala,
636
00:31:21,883 --> 00:31:25,011
which guides instincts
like fear or anger.
637
00:31:25,086 --> 00:31:28,317
In adults, the activity in
the frontal lobe is higher,
638
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:31,620
and that's the seat of
reasoning and good judgment.
639
00:31:31,692 --> 00:31:34,661
So what are the conclusions of your findings?
640
00:31:34,729 --> 00:31:38,187
Adolescents are
physiologically prone
641
00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:40,530
to impulsive and
irrational behavior.
642
00:31:40,601 --> 00:31:47,006
So teenagers are moody and
unpredictable, and even violent,
643
00:31:47,074 --> 00:31:48,974
because they are
wired that way?
644
00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:50,772
Objection. Leading.
645
00:31:50,845 --> 00:31:52,210
Sustained.
646
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,680
That's all.
No further questions.
647
00:31:57,818 --> 00:32:04,690
So, your study says that teenagers
are impulsive and irrational.
648
00:32:08,396 --> 00:32:10,796
Here's what
I don't understand.
649
00:32:10,865 --> 00:32:14,858
If that's true, how is it
that every single teenager
650
00:32:14,936 --> 00:32:17,461
isn't a rapist or a murderer?
651
00:32:17,538 --> 00:32:21,372
I believe I said adolescents
were prone to certain behaviors.
652
00:32:21,442 --> 00:32:25,378
Then some teenagers are
perfectly reasonable and rational.
653
00:32:25,446 --> 00:32:26,538
Yes.
654
00:32:27,248 --> 00:32:28,510
How many?
655
00:32:30,418 --> 00:32:31,442
How many what?
656
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,080
How many teenagers are rational and
how many are rapists and murderers?
657
00:32:36,123 --> 00:32:37,556
There's no answer
to that question.
658
00:32:37,625 --> 00:32:39,092
I thought you
mapped their brains.
659
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,095
We haven't tested every
single teenager in the world.
660
00:32:42,763 --> 00:32:47,598
Oh. So if you had given MRIs
to every single teenager,
661
00:32:47,668 --> 00:32:51,263
you would be able to predict whether or
not they would be a criminal. Is that it?
662
00:32:51,339 --> 00:32:53,136
No.
Well, what?
663
00:32:53,207 --> 00:32:56,074
If the irrational part of
the brain is overactive,
664
00:32:56,143 --> 00:32:58,373
that proves that they'll
be violent, doesn't it?
665
00:32:58,446 --> 00:33:00,311
It doesn't
prove anything.
666
00:33:00,381 --> 00:33:02,474
This research is
in its infancy.
667
00:33:03,384 --> 00:33:05,443
Your study doesn't
prove anything?
668
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,180
Not what you're
asking for, but...
669
00:33:07,254 --> 00:33:10,087
Then it's a theory,
an unproven theory.
670
00:33:10,157 --> 00:33:12,625
This research is
a huge step forward
671
00:33:12,693 --> 00:33:14,285
in understanding
how the brain works.
672
00:33:14,362 --> 00:33:18,093
Which is just another way of saying we
really don't understand the brain at all.
673
00:33:21,168 --> 00:33:22,760
Nothing further.
674
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:30,468
Jeremy, do you know the difference
between what's right and what's wrong?
675
00:33:31,379 --> 00:33:32,403
Yes.
676
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,041
Was it wrong to break into
Susan Oestreicher's apartment?
677
00:33:37,551 --> 00:33:38,711
Yes.
678
00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:40,585
Then why did you do it?
679
00:33:41,922 --> 00:33:44,152
Zach said he
wanted some money.
680
00:33:44,225 --> 00:33:46,022
Do you always do
what Zach wants?
681
00:33:47,228 --> 00:33:48,991
He's my best friend.
682
00:33:49,063 --> 00:33:52,089
Jeremy, did you know that Zach
was planning to kill that woman?
683
00:33:53,234 --> 00:33:54,258
No.
684
00:33:54,702 --> 00:33:57,136
And if you thought
even for one moment
685
00:33:57,204 --> 00:33:58,899
that that's what
he wanted to do,
686
00:33:58,973 --> 00:34:00,531
would you have gone
with him to the apartment,
687
00:34:00,608 --> 00:34:02,735
even though he's
your best friend?
688
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:03,936
No.
689
00:34:04,945 --> 00:34:07,072
I don't want
anyone to get killed.
690
00:34:07,148 --> 00:34:09,048
Jeremy,
what is more wrong?
691
00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:13,382
Watching someone do something terrible
or telling on your only friend?
692
00:34:18,025 --> 00:34:19,492
I don't know.
693
00:34:21,429 --> 00:34:24,262
So, maybe, you don't know right
from wrong as much as you think.
694
00:34:27,468 --> 00:34:29,129
Thank you, Jeremy.
695
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:35,470
Who hit Susan Oestreicher
over the head?
696
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:37,302
Zach.
697
00:34:37,845 --> 00:34:40,507
Hard enough so she
was knocked out, right?
698
00:34:40,581 --> 00:34:41,605
Yeah.
699
00:34:41,682 --> 00:34:44,207
Then Zach told you
to get the knife.
700
00:34:45,686 --> 00:34:48,246
He... He said to
look in the kitchen.
701
00:34:48,322 --> 00:34:50,017
Did you think he
was going to stab her?
702
00:34:50,624 --> 00:34:51,750
No.
703
00:34:51,826 --> 00:34:53,817
What did you think
he was going to do?
704
00:34:55,029 --> 00:34:58,055
Scare her. He didn't want her to yell.
705
00:34:58,132 --> 00:35:00,930
But she wasn't awake.
How would she yell?
706
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:04,265
I don't know.
707
00:35:04,338 --> 00:35:06,636
What do people do
with knives, Jeremy?
708
00:35:09,076 --> 00:35:10,441
Cut things.
709
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:14,379
So you walked into the
kitchen and you got the knife.
710
00:35:14,448 --> 00:35:15,506
Yes.
711
00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,375
You said you were
afraid of Zach. Why?
712
00:35:18,452 --> 00:35:19,851
He was yelling at me.
713
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
Why didn't you
walk out the door?
714
00:35:26,327 --> 00:35:27,794
I don't know.
715
00:35:31,332 --> 00:35:33,857
So, you got the knife.
716
00:35:35,035 --> 00:35:36,832
You walked back to Zach,
717
00:35:36,904 --> 00:35:39,873
and you were holding
the knife in your hands.
718
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:41,100
Yes.
719
00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:42,904
Why did you
give it to him?
720
00:35:42,977 --> 00:35:45,138
Was it because you were
afraid or because you
721
00:35:45,212 --> 00:35:47,806
wanted to be
cool for your friend?
722
00:35:47,882 --> 00:35:48,940
I don't know!
723
00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:51,109
You knew what he
was going to do,
724
00:35:51,185 --> 00:35:53,551
and you helped him do it.
Isn't that why?
725
00:35:55,122 --> 00:35:56,589
I'm sorry!
726
00:35:58,192 --> 00:36:00,319
I'm so sorry.
727
00:36:00,394 --> 00:36:01,884
I'm so sorry.
728
00:36:02,496 --> 00:36:03,793
I'm sorry.
729
00:36:04,532 --> 00:36:05,863
I'm sorry.
730
00:36:14,074 --> 00:36:15,666
Nothing further.
731
00:36:18,846 --> 00:36:20,507
I'm so sorry.
732
00:36:28,689 --> 00:36:29,951
Alex.
733
00:36:31,225 --> 00:36:33,750
Well, guess you got
what you wanted.
734
00:36:34,929 --> 00:36:38,763
Destroying a child on the stand is
not quite the highlight of my career.
735
00:36:39,934 --> 00:36:41,458
You did your job.
736
00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:42,627
Careful, Alex.
737
00:36:42,703 --> 00:36:46,799
You're beginning to sound like
me, disillusioned before your time.
738
00:36:48,475 --> 00:36:50,636
I need you to subpoena
a rebuttal witness.
739
00:36:50,711 --> 00:36:51,973
Who?
Zachary Connor.
740
00:36:52,046 --> 00:36:53,138
Why?
741
00:36:53,214 --> 00:36:55,512
As of today, he's been
adjudicated by Family Court.
742
00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:59,144
Any testimony he gives won't be
tainted by his co-conspirator status.
743
00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:00,710
If you put Zachary Connor
on the stand,
744
00:37:00,788 --> 00:37:03,757
he's going to say that Jeremy did
everything and I believe that's a lie.
745
00:37:03,824 --> 00:37:06,657
I'm not putting him
on the stand. You are.
746
00:37:06,727 --> 00:37:09,491
Jury already thinks
I make little kids cry.
747
00:37:09,563 --> 00:37:11,428
No. I won't
suborn perjury.
748
00:37:11,498 --> 00:37:14,365
Then I guess you better
make sure he tells the truth.
749
00:37:22,776 --> 00:37:25,404
Zachary,
who killed Susan Oestreicher?
750
00:37:26,513 --> 00:37:27,878
Jeremy did.
751
00:37:28,616 --> 00:37:30,311
So he stabbed
her with a knife?
752
00:37:30,384 --> 00:37:31,681
Yes.
753
00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:34,277
That must have been
very frightening for you.
754
00:37:34,355 --> 00:37:36,186
Yes. I was scared.
755
00:37:36,257 --> 00:37:37,986
What were you scared of?
756
00:37:38,058 --> 00:37:39,252
Jeremy.
757
00:37:39,793 --> 00:37:40,851
Why?
758
00:37:41,395 --> 00:37:43,158
Because he's bigger.
759
00:37:44,031 --> 00:37:46,090
Was Jeremy
afraid of anything?
760
00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:47,224
Yes.
761
00:37:47,668 --> 00:37:48,760
What?
762
00:37:49,036 --> 00:37:51,470
He was just afraid.
He didn't want to get caught.
763
00:37:51,538 --> 00:37:53,096
But you did get caught.
764
00:37:53,173 --> 00:37:54,663
Miss Oestreicher came home.
765
00:37:54,742 --> 00:37:57,575
That was Jeremy's fault.
He got it wrong.
766
00:37:57,978 --> 00:38:00,276
You must have been really scared
when she walked in that door?
767
00:38:00,347 --> 00:38:01,814
No, I wasn't.
768
00:38:01,882 --> 00:38:02,940
Okay.
769
00:38:04,551 --> 00:38:06,849
Zachary, when did
you throw up?
770
00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:08,847
That was Jeremy.
771
00:38:08,922 --> 00:38:11,288
I thought you
were afraid, Zachary.
772
00:38:11,358 --> 00:38:14,384
I thought you threw up because
you couldn't look at the blood.
773
00:38:14,461 --> 00:38:16,929
I could, too.
Jeremy couldn't.
774
00:38:16,997 --> 00:38:18,760
He was being a baby
and crying.
775
00:38:18,832 --> 00:38:21,164
When? Before or after
she was killed?
776
00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:22,395
The whole time.
777
00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:24,699
And you weren't crying?
Not even just a little?
778
00:38:24,772 --> 00:38:25,864
No.
779
00:38:25,939 --> 00:38:27,372
But I thought you
were afraid, Zachary.
780
00:38:27,441 --> 00:38:29,705
I thought you were
afraid of Jeremy.
781
00:38:29,777 --> 00:38:30,971
No, I wasn't.
782
00:38:31,045 --> 00:38:34,208
And you were also afraid of that woman
because she was going to call the police.
783
00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,339
She was afraid of me.
784
00:38:35,416 --> 00:38:37,884
And you wanted to show
them both that you were a man,
785
00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:39,350
and that's why you
had sex with her.
786
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:42,480
Well, that was her fault because she
wouldn't tell me where the money was.
787
00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:45,787
Jeremy was crying! He wouldn't
do anything so I had to do it!
788
00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:49,226
If she had just told me where the money
was, I wouldn't have had to hurt her!
789
00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:53,958
Nothing further.
790
00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:05,805
Five to 10 years.
791
00:39:06,447 --> 00:39:08,540
He wouldn't get out
until he was 24?
792
00:39:08,615 --> 00:39:11,743
It's the minimum sentence. With
good behavior, he's out in five.
793
00:39:11,819 --> 00:39:14,913
But if they say not guilty,
he won't go to jail at all.
794
00:39:14,988 --> 00:39:19,448
The jury will not say that.
The law is very clear.
795
00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,494
Jeremy already admitted
to being in the apartment
796
00:39:21,562 --> 00:39:24,463
with the intent to burglarize
it and someone was killed.
797
00:39:25,466 --> 00:39:27,866
He can still be found
guilty of felony murder.
798
00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:30,529
You want me to tell you
to send my son to jail.
799
00:39:30,604 --> 00:39:33,368
Why don't we take a day
to think about this?
800
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,465
No. I don't need
to think about it.
801
00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:38,739
The answer is no.
He didn't hurt anyone.
802
00:39:38,812 --> 00:39:44,250
Mrs. Brice, if Jeremy is convicted,
he is facing a possible life sentence.
803
00:39:46,987 --> 00:39:50,787
Miss Bernardo, please tell your client's
mother how rare jury nullification is.
804
00:39:50,858 --> 00:39:52,485
We should take the deal.
805
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:55,524
I don't like taking
chances with the jury.
806
00:39:56,296 --> 00:39:57,354
They heard that other boy.
807
00:39:57,431 --> 00:40:01,094
They know Jeremy is good, and
they won't send him to jail.
808
00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:02,965
No.
809
00:40:03,537 --> 00:40:04,765
No deal.
810
00:40:13,247 --> 00:40:16,478
Ladies and gentlemen of the
jury, have you reached a verdict?
811
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:18,313
We have, Your Honor.
812
00:40:18,886 --> 00:40:22,117
On the first count, murder in the
second degree, how do you find?
813
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:25,324
We find the defendant guilty.
814
00:40:25,392 --> 00:40:26,859
No!
815
00:40:30,097 --> 00:40:33,897
On the second count, burglary in
the first degree, how do you find?
816
00:40:33,967 --> 00:40:36,162
We find
the defendant guilty.
817
00:40:40,407 --> 00:40:42,432
Poll the jury, Your Honor.
818
00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:45,205
Juror number one,
what is your verdict?
819
00:40:47,381 --> 00:40:48,871
Guilty.
820
00:40:48,949 --> 00:40:50,075
Juror number two?
821
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:51,242
Guilty.
822
00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:54,315
Juror number three?
823
00:40:54,822 --> 00:40:56,016
Guilty.
824
00:40:56,723 --> 00:40:58,418
Juror number four?
825
00:40:58,492 --> 00:40:59,584
Guilty.
826
00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:01,321
Juror number five?
827
00:41:01,395 --> 00:41:02,521
Guilty.
828
00:41:02,596 --> 00:41:03,893
Juror number six?
829
00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,226
Guilty.
830
00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:07,392
Juror number seven?
831
00:41:07,468 --> 00:41:08,696
Guilty.